[VHML - Digest] Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 5869 Messages in this Digest: GARY AND THE RRHOF? "ALTERNATIVE" MUSIC Happys Re: VH Update Re: Happy Birthday John-812 Re: A bit of good news Re: Twily/VH Update Re: Frankenphone B-Sides Re: Winterfest Re: GARY AND RRHOF Re: Gary RRHOF?? All this RRHOF shit.... RE: VH Update RE: GARY AND RRHOF Re: All this RRHOF shit.... bsides/cd's Re: B-Sides Re: All this RRHOF shit.... CON '99 re: Gary/RRHOF? Re: bsides/cd's RE: GARY AND RRHOF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:00:10 EST From: BABABUE69@aol.com Subject: GARY AND THE RRHOF? "ALTERNATIVE" MUSIC Here's something that bothers me when I hear people talk about "alternative" music. Since so-called "alternative" music (I'm not really sure what people mean when they say that), is what seems to be popular now, does that mean it is no longer an alternative? If that's the case, then VH is technically an alternative band seeing as no one will play them, and MTV won't show them? Just a thought really..... - - -Bryan in Indianapolis.... "Pretty maids, all in a row...go on set 'em up ahhh..." Plain and simple. If MTV does not play the video,the album will not sell. If MTV played Van Halen and Kiss 24/7 like they play Coolio and Puff Daddy the albums would be flying out of the stores. It has nothing to do with Gary. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:03:34 PST From: "Bonnie Richardson" Subject: Happys Happy belated birthday to John-812 and Happy Birthday to Rick!!! John, I hope you got some for your birthday (unlike me :() and Rick, I hope you get some today. I hope you are so knocked out, you can't move for 2 days... ;) Bonnie 8^) who will never be inducted into the RARHOF Unless, it's in the non-musician wing alongside Alan Freed and Murray the K... ;p~~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:05:09 EST From: Wilsosco2@aol.com Subject: Re: VH Update In a message dated 11/3/98 4:17:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner- vanhalen@afterburner.sonic.net writes: > Listen again, dude! ...carefully. > - -- > Sergio > ps.: We already have TWILY. Why waste precious space in the next album for > it? More really *NEW* Van Halen is what I want. I realize that, but I bet that would be a big hit and I would like to see VH succeed. I mean how many people have actually heard that song, not very many, probably not much more than a 1000. That's why I think they should put it on an album. Skipp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:16:35 -0600 From: "Chuck Justice" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday John-812 Yo John, Happy 28th Birthday to ya! Hope you have many more coming to ya! BTW, was Debi the one who poped out of the birthday cake and gave you, "that special show"? ;) Have a good one John! Happy Daze C.Justice for all... IRC nick: Just-ice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:32:16 -0600 From: "Chuck Justice" Subject: Re: A bit of good news Good job Neal! Now, ask mommy and daddy if they will buy one more plane ticket, for yours truly! You'll need someone to watch over you, to make sure your not picking up "goats", and taking them back to the hotel room. ;) Neal, hope you get to go! Happy Daze C.Justice for all... IRC nick: Just-ice - ---------- > From: Neal Hannan > To: vanhalen@sonic.net > Subject: A bit of good news > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 2:54 PM > > > > Well, this may help me get one step closer to getting plane tickets to PR. > I just got accepted into the National Honor Society, woo hoo. At least > mommy and daddy are happy... > > Bring on Puerto Rico!! > > > Neal > "I've got the world on a string, sittin on a rainbow"-GC 98 > AOL IM "Co85150" > ICQ # 672683 > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:36:17 -0500 From: Top Hat Subject: Re: Twily/VH Update Why not just release Twilly as a B-side with...From Afar? That would be a great way to sell a new song from the album and have new material out by Gary in between the release of the new album. Greg. Wilsosco2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/3/98 4:17:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner- > vanhalen@afterburner.sonic.net writes: > > > Listen again, dude! ...carefully. > > - -- > > Sergio > > ps.: We already have TWILY. Why waste precious space in the next album for > > it? More really *NEW* Van Halen is what I want. > > I realize that, but I bet that would be a big hit and I would like to see VH > succeed. I mean how many people have actually heard that song, not very many, > probably not much more than a 1000. That's why I think they should put it on > an album. > > Skipp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:35:41 -0600 From: "Chuck Justice" Subject: Re: Frankenphone Grant, I noticed a PC in the background of your picture! Well, go ahead and paint that up too. Spray paint is a wonderful thing! ;) The phone is cool! Happy Daze C.Justice for all... IRC nick: Just-ice > > Just got myself a new Nokia phone a few weeks ago. It came > with a spare cover (red), so I decided to hack it up with > the black marker and liquid paper. Check it out: > > http://www.vhnd.com/pics/frankenphone.jpg > > > > Grant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:45:09 -0500 From: Top Hat Subject: B-Sides Just listening to the new U2 disc with all the B-sides on one cd, it really makes you think how many songs are left over from recording sessions that just never make it to disc. After listening to this I started to think about Van Halen in the studio for the last 20+ years recording and how much material is recorded/finished and just shelved. Probably mind boggling! Does anyone know how many tracks were left off each recording session? Brad, CJ?? And what the names of some of them might be? Greg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:45:34 -0600 From: "Chuck Justice" Subject: Re: Winterfest JJ, has this winterfest turned into a "Sexfest", brew haha? If so, maybe I should think about going! ;) And the dates of this are? Just might have to turn down a New Orleans Mardi Gras, this year! However, Mardi Gras is somewhat like a "Sexfest"! ;) Happy Daze! C.Justice for all... IRC nick: Just-ice FYI, The term "Brew Haha", is a south Louisiana way of saying, PARTY! > >> > >> ALL RIGHT!!!!!!! I'm so glad you two will be there! As for the one room, I > >> think it's only fitting that you should sleep with your own wife! ;) > >> > >> I can't wait for this to come about! ;) > >> > >> Jeannie > >Jeannie, > > > > A weekend without the kid??? Wont be much sleeping goin on. > > > >Dave in CO > > > > > You are a very perceptive man! ;) > > Jeannie > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:53:27 -0500 From: "Paul Belfi" Subject: Re: GARY AND RRHOF - -----Original Message----- From: Todd Kincaid To: vanhalen@sonic.net Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 11:27 AM Subject: RE: GARY AND RRHOF <> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! I may agree with Sammy Hagar and the above statement, but Gary? One gold album with Van Halen does not earn ANYBODY a Hall of Fame induction! - -Paul "No Matter What We're Gonna Be Friends, Right?" AOL IM - P Belfi 35 e-mail - pbelfi@raex.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:57:49 -0500 From: "Paul Belfi" Subject: Re: Gary RRHOF?? Ron, That was probably the most intelligent opinion to this thread that I've heard. Well said and completely understood. So by this way of thinking, does Deep Purple or Black Sabbath get inducted with every member that was in the band at some point during their respective tenure? Nice job, Ron! Now you opened up a new can of worms!! ;) - -Paul "No Matter What We're Gonna Be Friends, Right?" AOL IM - P Belfi 35 e-mail - pbelfi@raex.com - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Higgins To: vanhalen@sonic.net Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Gary RRHOF?? On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 10:50:51AM -0500, Paul Belfi wrote: > This is from the RRHOF website. After you read this and you feel Gary > Cherone needs to be inducted into the hall of fame with Van Halen, you can > come to the induction ceremony with me. Hey Paul. I have only one comment on this thread. Van Halen is a band, Van Halen will be inducted into the RRHOF as a band, not as individual members. If things had started out and continued as "Eddie Van Halen and the Back-Up Band of the Week", then it would be a completely different story. But that's not the way it is. Van Halen is a band, and they will be inducted as a Band. Ron rhiggins@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:10:30 EST From: Dwzl99@aol.com Subject: All this RRHOF shit.... It's five years away people! 5 years. Anything could happen in 5 friggin years. Start debating it in 4 years. Geez! I remember when a certain other singer joined the band and it was the best thing since sliced bread. Dave "Everybody wants some! I want some too!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:11:23 -0500 From: Johnathan Dinan Subject: RE: VH Update You are fooling yourself if you think it would be a big hit. They need to come out with a straight forward rock album in 99, they know it, Warner knows it, and we all know it. I like TWILY personally, but not because it is what I expect out of VH. "Its so easy, when nothing seems to please me, it all feels so right, when I fade into the night. So come with me, don't ask me where 'cause I dont know. I'll Try to please you, I ain't got no money, but it goes to show!" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-vanhalen@afterburner.sonic.net > [mailto:owner-vanhalen@afterburner.sonic.net]On Behalf Of > Wilsosco2@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 12:05 PM > To: vanhalen@sonic.net > Subject: Re: VH Update > > > In a message dated 11/3/98 4:17:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner- > vanhalen@afterburner.sonic.net writes: > > > Listen again, dude! ...carefully. > > - -- > > Sergio > > ps.: We already have TWILY. Why waste precious space in the > next album for > > it? More really *NEW* Van Halen is what I want. > > I realize that, but I bet that would be a big hit and I would > like to see VH > succeed. I mean how many people have actually heard that song, > not very many, > probably not much more than a 1000. That's why I think they > should put it on > an album. > > Skipp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:03:51 -0600 From: Todd Kincaid Subject: RE: GARY AND RRHOF Ron Higgins wrote: "If things had started out and continued as "Eddie Van Halen and the Back-Up Band of the Week", then it would be a completely different story. But that's not the way it is. Van Halen is a band, and they will be inducted as a Band." This is what I've been struggling to say for the last twelve posts. Thank you, Ron. TK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:16:51 -0500 From: "Mark C. Holt" Subject: Re: All this RRHOF shit.... At 01:10 PM 11/4/1998 -0500, you wrote: >It's five years away people! 5 years. Anything could happen in 5 friggin >years. Start debating it in 4 years. Geez! I remember when a certain other >singer joined the band and it was the best thing since sliced bread. > >Dave Personally, I'm enjoying the debate. So, IMO ... let the games continue ... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:19:32 -0800 From: David Roe Subject: bsides/cd's How come Van Halen does not release unreleased b-sides like the majority of bands do nowadays. Most bands release unreleased, demo, live tracks on singles. With the exception of Crossing Over and a couple of live tracks, VH has released nothing in 20 years. Also, I'm selling some of my CD collection incl. some VH stuff. http://home.earthlink.net/~fmangini/cd.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:30:18 -0800 From: Thomas Bell Subject: Re: B-Sides Top Hat wrote: > > Just listening to the new U2 disc with all the B-sides on one cd, it > really makes you think how many songs are left over from recording > sessions that just never make it to disc. After listening to this I > started to think about Van Halen in the studio for the last 20+ years > recording and how much material is recorded/finished and just shelved. Did you know that some of the songs on both discs of U2's Best Of are cut, some very poorly (Bad, New Years Day) and by a minute or more? I think that sucks. And on another note, on Springsteen's 4 disc box of unreleased stuff, he went back in the studio this year and added horns, vocals, new instrumental parts and rerecorded some of the songs. I bring this up because I really hope Van Halen doesn't go back and edit and tinker with the original recordings when the time comes to put out a rareties or live compilation of their old material. Just from the pre-1st album's various recording sessions, there are at least 20 unreleased complete songs. Based on various interviews over the years, I'd guess that there are probably 5 or so finished unreleased songs per album from 1979 on. A 2 disc set of unreleased studio tracks with say, 8 pre 1978 era songs and maybe 1-3 songs per year to the present would make a nice collection. A live set would really have to be at least a 3 disc set collecting various live performances of songs from 1976 to present. Of course, it would be really cool if at some point Van Halen decided to released full, unedited concerts from various tours, and maybe pad out the extra time on the second CD with other songs played on different dates on the same tour. A good example would be putting out a typical 1981 Fair Warning show (6.21.81 is a great show) and including Lucielle as a bonus track which was played only on a couple shows that year. T.B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:25:50 -0500 From: "Michael C. Hart" Subject: Re: All this RRHOF shit.... - -----Original Message----- From: Mark C. Holt > >Personally, I'm enjoying the debate. So, IMO ... let the games continue ... > >Mark > Heh, Ya Just gotta love it when the List is Slow... : ) later sleepy - Boredom brings on Great Debates! "Edward.....thank ya" - DLR to Ed on CTBM? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:29:34 -0500 From: Ellen Lloyd Subject: CON '99 As a former CON Chairman (CON '98), I've been asked to say a few words about CON '99. :) It's been a VHML Tradition since 1996 for list members to get together for a weekend to party and discuss Van Halen. It's an opportunity for members to put faces to names, to make new friends, to possibly find some bootlegs or other memorabilia that you've been wanting to find or see. A big part of this tradition is the Jam Session. A chance to jam with other Halen-ites and to learn some new chops. :) It's always a fun time and an event that should not be missed!!! If you would like to be involved in the planning of this event, contact Dave Johnson (davidj@cais.com) to join the CON Committee mailing list. If your plans are to attend the Con and not participate in the planning, keep an eye on this list for announcements about voting for a city to host this event, as well as other information about it. Melody posted earlier today about the city vote. So everyone get out and campaign and vote for the city of your choice! fwiw...I am not on the committee this year, but I'm always just an email away if any questions arise on the committee. :) Ellen http://www.medusacomplex.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:33:20 -0500 From: theguru@accessv.com Subject: re: Gary/RRHOF? Paul: >> This is from the RRHOF website. After you read this and you feel Gary Cherone needs to be inducted into the hall of fame with Van Halen, you can come to the induction ceremony with me. Get real. Election of Inductees Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation's many goals and functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact over the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll, by inducting them into the Hall of Fame. >> I think Ron Higgins pretty much summed it up...VH gets inducted as a band. period. nice job, Ron :) Paul....any particular reason that this has you so upset? what's the motivation in taking such a hardline position on something that won't happen for at least 5 years? by the same token, can you please enlighten the list with your review of the VH album that's due out in 2003..... .....inquiring minds need to know ;) guru ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:29:40 EST From: DTJGLAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: bsides/cd's In a message dated 11/4/98 6:24:19 PM, you wrote: <> After the TWILY debacle, I ain't touchin' this...... Dave in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:37:28 -0600 From: dmw Subject: RE: GARY AND RRHOF > And, "Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of > their first record." > > If Gary and Sammy are excluded from Van Halen's recognition, it should > only be because of a chronological technicality, i.e., because they > weren't in the group 25 years ago. But regardless of what you think of > Sammy or Gary, they have both helped Van Halen have a significant > impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. The way things seem to be is that as long as the member made a major contribution to the band, they are inducted - regardless of when they joined the band. For example, Ron Wood and Mick Taylor were inducted with the Stones, Buckingham and Nicks were inducted with Fleetwood Mac, and Walsh, Felder, and Schmitd(sp?) were inducted with the Eagles. None of them were in their respective bands 25 years prior to the induction. In Fleetwood Mac's case, the first five members were inducted along with Christine McVie, Buckingham and Nicks. Other members of Fleetwood Mac, like Bob Welch (pre Rumours) or Billy Burnette (replaced Buckingham) were not inducted with the band. As for whether Gary will be inducted with them, we have to see what happens with the band between now and the induction. If it happened tomorrow, I doubt he would be inducted. David ------------------------------ End of [VHML - Digest] V1 #5869